Kauno Krikščionių Bažnyčios diskusijų lenta

Idomu butu suzinoti jusu nuomone.. Ar jus kaip ir dauguma krikscioniu, tikite, kad zemei apie ~6000 metu.. Jeigu taip kodel?.. Jeigu ne irgi kodel?.

Sakykim tikime, kad žmogui žemėje yra 6000 metų, o dėl pačios žemės yra įvairių nuomonių. Yra tikėtina, kad tarp Pr1:1 ir Pr 1:2 yra laiko tarpas, tačiau yra pakankamai mokslininkų kurie tiki ir žemės trumpu amžiumi, nes daugiau mokslinių įrodymų paaiškina žemės trumpą, o ne ilgą amžių.

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Sakykim tikime, kad žmogui žemėje yra 6000 metų, o dėl pačios žemės yra įvairių nuomonių. Yra tikėtina, kad tarp Pr1:1 ir Pr 1:2 yra laiko tarpas, tačiau yra pakankamai mokslininkų kurie tiki ir žemės trumpu amžiumi, nes daugiau mokslinių įrodymų paaiškina žemės trumpą, o ne ilgą amžių.

Gal galite pateikti pavyzdziu tu "moksliniu irodymu"?

Si tema plati, todel nesivarginsiu daug rasyti. Jei nori gilintis apsilankyk saituoseL

http://www.icr.org/
http://www.creationstudies.org/
www.jaunimoarka.lt - paprasti paaiskinimai sia tema

ir t.t.

pazymeciau dar, kad dauguma krikscioniu tiki, kad zeme sukure Dievas, taciau del metu, tai tai nera tikejimo tiesu dalis. Todel egzistuoja gana skirtingu, bet pagristu nuomoniu

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Si tema plati, todel nesivarginsiu daug rasyti. Jei nori gilintis apsilankyk saituoseL

http://www.icr.org/
http://www.creationstudies.org/
www.jaunimoarka.lt - paprasti paaiskinimai sia tema

ir t.t.

Paprasti, bet - ar teisingi?
Daugelis kreacionistu skelbiasi kazkokiu mokslu daktarais, bet is tikruju jie neturi net pakankamo issilavinimo (daugelis neturi net aukstojo issilavinimo), taciau vaizduoja didelius mokslininkus ir, kaip taisykle - nusisneka!
Beje, jokiu rimtu irodymu jie ten nepateikia!

Cituoti

TEORIJA: beveik visi mokslai tiki evoliucijos teorija.
FAKTAS: per 100 metų neradus patvirtinančių faktų, daugelis mokymų evoliucijos išsigynė.

visika nesamone!!! Yra irodymu, tik krikscionis jais nesidomi, nieko apie juos nezino, ir sako kad nera..
Is vis tie straipsniai kvaili.. (padarytos savo interpretacijos)

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Cituoti

TEORIJA: beveik visi mokslai tiki evoliucijos teorija.
FAKTAS: per 100 metų neradus patvirtinančių faktų, daugelis mokymų evoliucijos išsigynė.

visika nesamone!!! Yra irodymu, tik krikscionis jais nesidomi, nieko apie juos nezino, ir sako kad nera..
Is vis tie straipsniai kvaili.. (padarytos savo interpretacijos)

kaip keista jei jau krikscionis netiki tomis teorijomis tai jau is vis jam stogas pavares, bet jei netikintis netiki krikscioniskomis teorijomis tai normalu.... kazkaip reiktu nepamirsti kad KIEK ZMONIU TIEK NUOMONIU... :wink: ir kitam savo nuomones kisti nereik yra daug pusiu ir visas reikia gerbti(nuomones).. be to is kur tokia isvada kad krikscionys nesidomi?

Man atrodo, kad kartais krikščionys net per daug tuo domisi (Evoliucijos teoria)
Tiek sukutrta televizijos programų, parašyta labai daug knygų...besiginčinant

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Man atrodo, kad kartais krikščionys net per daug tuo domisi (Evoliucijos teoria)
Tiek sukutrta televizijos programų, parašyta labai daug knygų...besiginčinant

Gal ir domisi, tik neaisku, kodel kartais nusidomi i pievas?.. Kartais kai paskaitai jusu "krikscioniu" straipsnius apie evoliucija, tai net juokas nebeima.. O kartais, tai net graudu daros

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... Kartais kai paskaitai jusu "krikscioniu" straipsnius apie evoliucija, tai net juokas nebeima.. O kartais, tai net graudu daros

Dazniausiai - graudu, nes pradedi nesuvokti - Kodel niekaip nepazeistas (sveikas) asmuo kalba kaip Dauno sindromu sergantis?!

Matai Pta, yra toks dalykas kaip nenoras pripazinti tiesa, kitaip tariant kai noriu, kad butu taip kaip man priimtina, taciau vistiek yra taip kaip yra.

Pasitikrink save, karta manaisi esas labai atviras ir tiesus, ar pats nekovoji uz tai, kad nepasirodytum, jog ilga laika buvai kvailas, tai ir gini save?

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Matai Pta, yra toks dalykas kaip nenoras pripazinti tiesa, kitaip tariant kai noriu, kad butu taip kaip man priimtina, taciau vistiek yra taip kaip yra.

Tai vat kad krikscionys ir nenori pripazinti tiesos.. O jums kaip norit taip irbuna.. Kitaip sakant kaip nori biblija, (kartais ir pastoriai) taip ir buna

Jn 15,7 jūs prašysite, ko tik norėsite, ir bus jums duota.

Mes turime ko norime

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Jn 15,7 jūs prašysite, ko tik norėsite, ir bus jums duota.

Mes turime ko norime

Och!!! Tai jau komunizme?
O del nenoro pripazinti tiesos, tai tu esi visiskai teisus - visi biblijinio dievo pasekejai cia yra absoliutus lyderiai! :wink:

o kieno pasekėjas esi tu Pta? Savęs paties ar kažkieno kito?

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o kieno pasekėjas esi tu Pta? Savęs paties ar kažkieno kito?

Tu lygini pagal save - "pasekejas"... Zmogui nebutina buti kazkieno pasekeju, tuo labiau - saves! Zmogus pats turi spresti (jei sugeba0 ka ir kaip daryti!

Iseina, tu pats save ganai ir pats viska zinai bet viska matuoji pagal savo supratima. OHO

Gal tyave ir reikia ganyti, o as nesu avinas :wink:
Visko niekas nezino ir negli zinoti.
matuoju ne pagal vien tik savo suppratima, bet tu - sprendi pagal save!

sakai matuoji ne vien tik pagal savo supratima, o tai pagal kieno dar?

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sakai matuoji ne vien tik pagal savo supratima, o tai pagal kieno dar?

Zmoniu, kurie kaip ir as matuoja pagal objektyvu (bent - objektyvesni nei tikinciuju) supratima.

gal koki ivardintum?

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gal koki ivardintum?

Sokratas, Galilejus, Fermi, Kiuri, Rezerfordas, Kapica...

Galileo’s troubles with the established church are famous, but his problem was with the Catholic Church, not Christianity. Galileo himself was a Christian who witnessed to people and saw support for his scientific studies in the Bible.

http://www.biblequery.org/Science/Scientists.htm

Some Western Scientists Who Believed in God:

Scientist/ Engineer
Lifetime
Contribution

Albert of Bollstadt (Albert Magnus)
Alchemist, who

Leonardo da Vinci
1452-1519
physics, art

Nicholas Copernicus
1473-1543
Taught the planets revolved around an immoveable sun

Tycho Brahe
1545-1601
At least a theist

Francis Bacon
1561-1626
scientific method

Galileo Galilei
1564-1642
telescope, gravity, solar system

Johann Kepler
1571-1626
planet’s elliptical orbits

William Harvey
1578-1657
circulation of blood. At least a theist.

Puritans
1600-1700
A higher percentage of Puritans were in the English Royal Society than in the general population

Athanasius Kircher
1601-1680
Jesuit who anticipated the germ theory and wrote of Noah’s flood

John Wilkins
1614-1672
scientist and clergyman who wrote how Noah’s ark would be of adequate size to fit all of the animals.

Walter Charleton
1619-1707
President of the Royal College of Physicians who wrote on the flood and miracles

Blaise Pascal
1623-1662
math, fluid flow

Robert Boyle
1627-1691
Boyle’s law - chemistry. Learned Hebrew, Greek, Syriac. Founded the Boyle lectures to prove Christianity vs. atheists, theists, pagans, Jews, and Muslims.

John Ray
1627-1705
natural history

Nicolaus Steno
1631-1686
stratigraphy

Thomas Burnet
1635-1715
geologist and clergyman

Nicolas Lemery
1645-1715
chemist who converted to Catholicism

Sir William Petty
1623-1687
statistics, economics

Christiaan Huygens
1629-1695
Huygen’s Principle. At least a theist

Isaac Barrow
1630-1677
Cambridge math prof. who taught Newton. He later retired to teach God’s Word

Robert Hooke
1635-1703
physicist and geologist. Hooke’s Law of elas-ticity. At least a theist

Increase Mather
1639-1723
son of Cotton Mather, astronomer on comets, theologian, and one of the first presidents of Harvard.

Nehemiah Grew
1641-1712
physician and botanist. Protestant who wrote on the unique creative design of plants and animals.

Isaac Newton
1642-1727
Co-inventor of calculus, gravity, Newton’s 3 laws

Gottfried Wilhelm Leibnitz
1646-1716
co-inventor of calculus, and anticipated Boolean algebra

John Flamsteed
1646-1719
Founded the Greenwich observatory

William Derham
1657-1735
ecology

Cotton Mather
1662-1727
published treatises on "animacules" causing smallpox, and President of Harvard

John Woodward
1665-1728
paleontology

John Harris
1666-1719
mathematician, clergyman, Wrote an English dictionary 1704

William Whiston
12/9.1667-8/22/1752
succeeded Isaac Newton at Cambridge. Wrote on flood geology. Translated Josephus and was an Arian like Newton. He thought the Tatars were the lost tribes, and the Millennium would start in 1766.

John Hutchinson
1674-1737
paleontologist who wrote on the flood. Also studied Hebrew.

Bayes
1702-1761
Probability, Presbyterian minister

Benjamin Franklin
1706-1790
Believed in God, unsure about Christ’s divinity, had a mistress, was perhaps the last person who could know all of science.

Carolus Linnaeus
1707-1778
taxonomy-classified life

Gustavus Brander
1720-1787
paleontologist who wrote on the flood

Jean Deluc
1727-1817
Coined the word geology. He and his father invented the barometer. Wrote of a worldwide flood.

Richard Kirwan
1733-1812
mineralogy

William Herschel
1738-1822
discovered Uranus, galactic astronomy

James Parkinson
1755-1824
perforated appendix, Parkinson’s disease, wrote on the flood and coal from plants

William Kirby
1759-1850
entomologist and English clergyman

John Dalton
9/15/1766-7/17/1844
atomic theory, Dalton’s law of gases. Quaker

Benjamin Barton
1766-1815
physician, biologist, recent creationist

Thomas Malthus
1766-1834
economics, over-population, clergyman

Georges Cuvier
1769-1832
comparative anatomy

Samuel Miller
1770-1840
Presbyterian minister and influential science writer chronicling the 18th century,

Charles Bell
1774-1842
anatomist and surgeon

John Kidd
1775-1851
chemical synthetics

Humphrey Davy
1778-1829
thermokinetics, safety lamp

Benjamin Silliman
1779-1864
mineralogy, geology, founded the American Journal of Science

Peter Mark Roget
1779-1869
physician and physiologist, Roget’s Thesaurus

Thomas Chalmers
1780-1847
social scientist, professor of theology, popularized the "gap theory"

David Brewster
1781-1868
optical mineralogy, kaleidoscope, opposed Darwinism

William Buckland
1784-1856
geologist and priest in the Church of England

William Prout
1785-1850
food chemistry

Adam Sedgwick
1785-1873
Named Cambrian and Devonian periods. A friend of Darwin but against evolutionary ideas, saying the result would be harmful.

Joseph Townsend
English geologist and clergyman published much of William Smith’s work

Michael Faraday
1791-1867
Electromagnetics

Sam. F.B. Morse
1791-1872
Telegraph

John Herschel
1792-1871
son of William, he found 500 nebulas

Charles Babbage
1792-1871
Computer science, Operations research, Opthamaloscope, mathematical analysis of Biblical miracles

William Whewell
1794-1866
anemometer

Joseph Henry
1797-1866
Electric motor, galvanometer

Richard Owen
1804-1892
zoology, paleontology, non-Christian theist against Darwinism

Matthew Maury
1806-1873
oceanography

Louis Agassiz
1807-1873
glaciers, fish, most famous biologist behind Darwin

Henry Rogers
1808-1866
geology of the Appalachians, wrote of the universal flood

Phillip H. Gosse
1810-1888
Ornithologist. Plymouth Brethren, said the earth was young, but fossils and sediments created with appearance of age

James Simpson
1811-1870
anesthesiology, gynecology

James Dana
1813-1895
President of the Geological Society of America, theistic evolutionist

James Joule
1818-1889
A unit of energy is named after him

George Stokes
1819-1903
Stokes Law in fluid flow

Charles Piazzi Smyth
1819-1900
Astronomer, studied Egyptian pyramids. Weird guy influential in Anglo-Israelism error

John William Dawson
1820-1899
Canadian geologist and old-earth Creationist

Gregor Mendel
1822-1884
Mendelian genetics

Louis Pasteur
1822-1895
Bacteriology, biochemistry, sterilization, immunology. Opposed Evolution

Henri Fabre
1823-1915
entomology of living insects

Lord Kelvin (William Thompson)
1824-1907
A unit of temperature is named after him, Atlantic cable

Joseph Lister
1827-1912
antiseptic surgery

Joseph Clerk Maxwell
1831-1879
Maxwell’s law in electrodynamics, statistical thermodynamics

Bernhard Riemann

(Georg F.B. Riemann)
1826-1866
non-Euclidean geometries, Riemann space

Edward Hitchcock
1793-1864
geologist in Mass. And Vermont, against Darwinism

James Glaisher
1809-1903
Founded the British Meteorological Society

Henry Rawlinson
1810-1895
deciphered Behistun inscription

Joseph Henry Gilbert
1817-1901
agricultural chemist, apposed Darwinism

Thomas Anderson
1819-1874
discovered pyridine, opposed Darwinism

William Huggins
1824-1910
astral spectrometry

Balfour Stewart
1828-1887
electricity in ionosphere

P. G. Tait
1831-1901
vector analysis

Sir William Abney
1843-1920
Interstellar molecules, son of a clergyman

Alexander MacAlister
1844-1919
Professor of Anatomy at Cambridge

A.H. Sayce
1845-1933
Expert on the Hittites

John Bell Pettigrew
1848-1894
President of the Royal Medical society. Allowed for evolution and design

George Romanes
1848-1894
biologist, physiologist. Christian, personal friend of Darwin, lost his faith, returned to Christianity, unclear if a theistic evolutionist or creationist.

Lord Rayleigh (John Strutt)
1849-1919
Fluid flow, successor to Maxwell at Cambridge

John Ambrose Fleming
1849-1945
electronics, electron tube, thermionic valve

Edward H. Maunder
1851-1928
astronomer at Greenwich

William Mitchell Ramsay
1851-1939
One of the two greatest archaeologists. Liberal who became a conservative Christian

Sir William Ramsay

(born in Glasgow)
1852-1916
discovered argon, isotopic chemistry, transmuting elements. Founded the Indian Institute of Technology

Howard A. Kelly
1858-1943
Gynecology/Obstetrics prof. at Johns Hopkins. Wrote A Scientific Man and His Bible.

George Washington Carver
1864-1943
authority on peanuts and sweet potatoes at the Tuskegee Institute

Wilbur and Orville Wright
1867-1912, 1871-1948
First successful flight 12/17/1903. Wilbur assisted his father in legal work for the Church of the United Brethren in Christ

Douglas Dewar
1875-1957
Wrote books on evolution prior to being a creationist Christian

Paul Lemoine
1878-1940
ex-Evolutionist and President of the Geological Society of France

Albert Einstein
1879-1955
non-practicing Jew who firmly believed in God

Charles Stine
1882-1954
An organic chemist with DuPont. Wrote the booklet, "A Chemist and His Bible"

A. Rendle Short
1885-1955
Professor of surgery

L. Merson Davies
1890-1960
Geology, paleontology

Sir Cecil P. G. Wakeley
1892-1979
surgeon, president of the Bible League

Werner von Braun
1912-1977
rockets, Lutheran

A.E. Wilder-Smith
1915-1995
Phys. org. chemistry. 70 pubs. and 30 books.

Lane P. Lester
living
Wrote Natural Limits to Biological Change

Hugh Ross
living
astronomer

Michael Denton
living
molecular biologist who wrote Evolution : A Theory in Crisis

Charles Thaxton, Walter L. Bradley, Clarence Meninga
living
molecular biologists. Authored The Mystery of Life’s Origin

Thomas G. Barnes
living
wrote Origin and Destiny of the Earth’s Magnetic Field

William A. Dembski
living
math, Intelligent Design

Robert Newman
living
Intelligent Design

Dean H. Kenyon
living
Biology, Biophysics

Jeffrey P. Schloss
living
ecology, evolutionary biology, Int. Design

Jonathan Wells
living
cell biology

Howard J. Van Till
living
astronomer, wrote The Fourth Day

Davis A. Young
living
old-earth geologist, wrote Christianity & The Age of the Earth.

Creation Research Society
1963: 10 scientists
Over 700 scientists

H.S. Lipson
quoted in 1980
physicist. "In fact, evolution became, in a sense, a scientific religion; almost all scientists have accepted it and many are prepared to "Bend" their observations to fit with it. .. To my mind, the theory [evolution] does not stand up at all.